NFB Free White Cane Application Form: Sizing Instructions
Hi everyone, There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing. The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/ In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher. ## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot. If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended? Aloha, Justin Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB English Pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 808.797.8606 Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
Hello Justin,I created a form that I use with the families I serve?and I advise ?toes to nose?.?Merry-Noel Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 14, 2024, 10:41 PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote: Hi everyone, There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing. The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/ In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher. ## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot. If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended? Aloha, Justin Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB English Pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 808.797.8606 Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org
Yes, most including some of the more traditional folks are starting to view that the armpit measurement is much too short. However, the measurement may be included as means to get some of the more reluctant people to have came in their hands I usually would say the chin is a good starting point for beginner going up from there, and once more, some of my more traditional big fat rollerball colleagues agree with that also. | Lerone Walker
On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:41?PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote:
?Hi everyone,
There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing.
The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/
In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher.
## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot.
If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended?
Aloha,
Justin
Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB English Pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 808.797.8606 Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org
Hey Justin and everyone,
I remember there was some talk a few years ago about changing the recommended sizing on the free white cane form. I believe they may have done this on the early explorer recommendations and BELL order form. I would think they would be open to an adjustment especially if there were a consensus on the recommendation.
I usually subtract about 3-5 inches from the person?s total height. That should put it around the nose. Then, as others have mentioned, they can size up or down as they feel comfortable.
Like Lerone, I have noticed that many COMS are suggesting canes measure just under the chin or to the top of the shoulder at the shortest.
Kristen J. Sims, M.Ed NOMC NCUEB
Orientation and Mobility Program
Louisiana Tech University
College of Education and Human Services
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
210 Woodard Hall
PO Box 3158, Ruston, LA 71272
318.257.4554 | 318.348.4637
LATech.eduhttps://www.latech.edu/
________________________________
From: NOMC <nomc-bounces at lists.nbpcb.org> on behalf of Lerone walker
On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:41?PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote:
?Hi everyone,
There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing.
The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/
In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher.
## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot.
If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended?
Aloha,
Justin
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Might you all be supportive if we suggested this to our team at the national office?
Replace old language under the heading "Sizing Instructions" with the following:
"As a default, subtract about 3-5 inches from your total height, and use that measurement for your cane. Standing straight, the cane should reach near your nose or eyes. If you need to adjust the size up or down as you feel comfortable, go ahead."
Aloha,
Justin
Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB
English Pronouns: he/him/his
Phone: 808.797.8606
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
________________________________________
From: Kristen Sims [ksims at latech.edu]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:34 PM
To: Lerone walker; Justin Salisbury
Cc: nomc at lists.nbpcb.org
Subject: Re: [Nomc] NFB Free White Cane Application Form: Sizing Instructions
Hey Justin and everyone,
I remember there was some talk a few years ago about changing the recommended sizing on the free white cane form. I believe they may have done this on the early explorer recommendations and BELL order form. I would think they would be open to an adjustment especially if there were a consensus on the recommendation.
I usually subtract about 3-5 inches from the person?s total height. That should put it around the nose. Then, as others have mentioned, they can size up or down as they feel comfortable.
Like Lerone, I have noticed that many COMS are suggesting canes measure just under the chin or to the top of the shoulder at the shortest.
Kristen J. Sims, M.Ed NOMC NCUEB
Orientation and Mobility Program
Louisiana Tech University
College of Education and Human Services
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
210 Woodard Hall
PO Box 3158, Ruston, LA 71272
318.257.4554 | 318.348.4637
LATech.eduhttps://www.latech.edu/
________________________________
From: NOMC <nomc-bounces at lists.nbpcb.org> on behalf of Lerone walker
On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:41?PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote:
?Hi everyone,
There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing.
The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/
In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher.
## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot.
If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended?
Aloha,
Justin
Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB English Pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 808.797.8606 Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org
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Hi Kristen and all, I think this is a great idea. In my experience, the incorrect information on the free cane application causes confusion for those setting up local BELL programs. Often, I have had to step in and personally work with each family or go over each student's information to tell folks what size they need. Having the right information on the form would probably save time. Carley Mullin On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:36?PM Kristen Sims <ksims at latech.edu> wrote:
Hey Justin and everyone, I remember there was some talk a few years ago about changing the recommended sizing on the free white cane form. I believe they may have done this on the early explorer recommendations and BELL order form. I would think they would be open to an adjustment especially if there were a consensus on the recommendation.
I usually subtract about 3-5 inches from the person?s total height. That should put it around the nose. Then, as others have mentioned, they can size up or down as they feel comfortable. Like Lerone, I have noticed that many COMS are suggesting canes measure just under the chin or to the top of the shoulder at the shortest.
*Kristen J. Sims, M.Ed NOMC NCUEB* *Orientation and Mobility Program *
*Louisiana Tech University* *College of Education and Human Services* Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
210 Woodard Hall PO Box 3158, Ruston, LA 71272 318.257.4554 | 318.348.4637 LATech.edu https://www.latech.edu/ ------------------------------ *From:* NOMC <nomc-bounces at lists.nbpcb.org> on behalf of Lerone walker < lerone.walker at icloud.com> *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2024 7:15:23 AM *To:* Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> *Cc:* nomc at lists.nbpcb.org <nomc at lists.nbpcb.org> *Subject:* Re: [Nomc] NFB Free White Cane Application Form: Sizing Instructions
Yes, most including some of the more traditional folks are starting to view that the armpit measurement is much too short. However, the measurement may be included as means to get some of the more reluctant people to have came in their hands I usually would say the chin is a good starting point for beginner going up from there, and once more, some of my more traditional big fat rollerball colleagues agree with that also.
| Lerone Walker
On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:41?PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote:
?Hi everyone,
There is something on the NFB Free White Cane program request form that I find a bit off, so I am writing to folks here to ask if this is what the rest of you are doing.
The Free White Cane program application form can be found here: https://freecane.nfb.org/
In the application it reads: Cane Sizing For starter canes: measure to your armpit. Seasoned travelers: measure to your chin or higher.
## If the only cane a person has is one of these heights, and it is not reasonably easy to get a longer one, I am not opposed to working with them, but I personally aim for a cane to reach to some part of their nose. This is achievable for basically everyone because a typical adult nose is at least 2 inches long so that some cane will match this spot.
If this strikes a lot of people as odd, do you think we should try to get the instructions on the form amended?
Aloha,
Justin
Justin MH Salisbury, MEd, NOMC, NCRTB English Pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 808.797.8606 Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org
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-- Carley Mullin, NOMC, NCRTB
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