[Nomc] Question about IEP Goals

Growing up first in a suburban area, and later in a more rural part of western Pennsylvania, learning to understand cardinal directions and how to read maps, was simply a part of the culture. My father was a sportsman who had enjoyed hunting and fishing, and I grew up exploring the forests trails and back roads, so it was just natural to learn these things. Also, my father emphasized these skills, as did my schools, as far as that goes. I think that introducing these skills as early as possible is desirable, but I do have some concern that the nature of the goals as written appears to be making a big push in the immediate year, but I have to wonder if this is something that will continue beyond this time frame for this child. I sort of under stood these concepts when I was five, but I would say that my skills didn?t become solidified until I was closer to ten or eleven. Children do learn more quickly than adults, but I think they learn better if their exposure is in the natural course of experiences, rather than a highly structured environment. So often instruction in public schools tends to be short and intense, rather than gradual and sustained. It also tends to be in isolation from the real world, rather than experience driven. So, while I think learning these skills as a young child is perfectly appropriate, I have concerns as to whether the approach being employed here is going to be the most effective. Jeff From: NOMC <nomc-bounces at lists.nbpcb.org> On Behalf Of Jane Lansaw Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:35 PM To: Merry-Noel <owinm at yahoo.com> Cc: NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org Subject: Re: [Nomc] Question about IEP Goals I was in junior high when I first learned the map of my home state. It was a part of my Missouri history peace in whatever history class I was taking back then. It was difficult because it was visual but I think it was a good age. I didn?t know if we were just a little delayed or if that was normal. Was attending a protestant parochial school at the time and it was a little behind in a lot of the public school areas. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Merry-Noel > wrote: Jane and others... I agree....I sent this to Justin yesterday but accidentally didn?t ?reply to all?: Yes, I agree with you. At age 5, that is way too young. The tactile map may be simple, however, but to get ten routes out of that, will be difficult so the map may be too complex. Wow! I don't think little 5-year-olds are even introduced to the map in preschool/kindergarten... . sighted or not. Merry-Noel Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPadhttps://yho.com/footer0 On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 1:06 PM, Jane Lansaw > wrote: The guys make some good points. Detector maps may be high-quality or low-quality. Have you been the O&m teacher manufacturing or in charge of these maps? Is this JaneDoe a particular student or is it a generic boilerplate IEP for all blind children in that school? But my first concern when I read your email, even before I went on to see what Ben and Mike had to say was that a five-year-old might be a little young for this. I don?t work with little ones enough anymore to know what is age-appropriate for youngsters. Does anybody else think that she might be a little too young to be addressing tactile maps at this time? I would want to make sure her fundamental cane skills were in place and the other things been mentioned about mental mapping and landmarks. The map won?t do her any good if she cannot travel while using it. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Justin Salisbury > wrote: Aloha Colleagues, I write to ask for you all to give me a little feedback on an IEP goal that I see for a student who is about 5 years old. It seems odd to me. One of the O&M goals says: When given a tactile map, Jane Doe will use the map to complete 10 campus route with 90% accuracy 3 of 4 opportunities. The 90 percent accuracy thing rubs me the wrong way, but I?m particularly unsure about whether someone should be training a young child to try to read a tactile map and implement it when this student is still working on basic cane technique. I don?t really ever teach people to use tactile maps, especially not to give them a map and expect them to follow it like it?s one of the treasure maps that my friends and I used to make for each other at recess when I was that age. What do you guys think about this? Mahalo, Justin Justin M. 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