Jane and others...I agree....I sent this to Justin yesterday but accidentally didn?t ?reply to all?: Yes, I agree with you. At age 5, that is way too young.? The tactile map may be simple, however, but to get ten routes out of that, will be difficult so the map may be too complex. Wow! I don't think little 5-year-olds are even introduced to the map in preschool/kindergarten... . sighted or not.Merry-Noel Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 1:06 PM, Jane Lansaw <widearc2000 at gmail.com> wrote: The guys make some good points. Detector maps may be high-quality or low-quality. Have you been the O&m teacher manufacturing or in charge of these maps? ?Is this JaneDoe ?a particular student or is it a generic boilerplate IEP for all blind children in that school? ?But my first concern when I read your email, even before I went on to see what Ben and Mike had to say was that a five-year-old might be a little young for this. ?I don?t work with little ones enough anymore to know what is age-appropriate for youngsters. ?Does anybody else think that she might be a little too young to be addressing tactile maps at this time? ?I would want to make sure her fundamental cane skills were in place and the other things been mentioned about mental mapping and landmarks. The map won?t do her any good if she cannot travel while using it. ? Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote: #yiv2093362151 #yiv2093362151 -- _filtered #yiv2093362151 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2093362151 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2093362151 {panose-1:2 11 6 9 4 5 4 2 2 4;}#yiv2093362151 #yiv2093362151 p.yiv2093362151MsoNormal, #yiv2093362151 li.yiv2093362151MsoNormal, #yiv2093362151 div.yiv2093362151MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv2093362151 a:link, #yiv2093362151 span.yiv2093362151MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2093362151 a:visited, #yiv2093362151 span.yiv2093362151MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2093362151 span.yiv2093362151EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv2093362151 .yiv2093362151MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered #yiv2093362151 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2093362151 div.yiv2093362151WordSection1 {}#yiv2093362151 Aloha Colleagues, ? I write to ask for you all to give me a little feedback on an IEP goal that I see for a student who is about 5 years old. It seems odd to me. One of the O&M goals says: ? When given a tactile map, Jane Doe will use the map to complete 10 campus route with 90% accuracy 3 of 4 opportunities. ? ? The 90 percent accuracy thing rubs me the wrong way, but I?m particularly unsure about whether someone should be training a young child to try to read a tactile map and implement it when this student is still working on basic cane technique. I don?t really ever teach people to use tactile maps, especially not to give them a map and expect them to follow it like it?s one of the treasure maps that my friends and I used to make for each other at recess when I was that age. ? What do you guys think about this? ? Mahalo, ? Justin ? Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB Honolulu Chapter National Federation of the Blind of Hawaii Phone: 808.797.8606 Email:?President at Alumni.ECU.edu LinkedIn:?https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury? ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Justin_Salisbury ? ? ?Once social change begins, it cannot be reversed. You cannot un-educate the person who has learned to read. You cannot humiliate the person who feels pride. You cannot oppress the people who are not afraid anymore.? ? Cesar Chavez ? _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org _______________________________________________ NOMC mailing list NOMC at lists.nbpcb.org http://lists.nbpcb.org/listinfo.cgi/nomc-nbpcb.org